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Post by neh on May 31, 2007 23:14:44 GMT -5
Ooooooh - yes, that's a very good notion. (the hallows being the Horcruxes) And it makes perfect sense with the location and destruction of these objects being Harry's initial goal during this book. The whole theory about DH being a location i think stems simply from the tendancy of people to say "Deathly HOllows" as oppossed to "HAllows" coz of the whole Godric's Hollow thing. I'm glad i seem to have amused people with my description of AnniE in Star Wars, and Nathalie thanks for your comment - i find it fun to nickname characters, especially in HP where it's quite easy to form attatchments ... apart from Voldy I have Haz (Harry), Hermy (Hermione), DD (Dumbledore) and MacG (McGonagall - nicknamed to sound like a burger as McDonalds, hehe)
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Post by Lu on Jun 1, 2007 6:26:48 GMT -5
lol Thanks for your post, Kristie. The italian publisher hasn't told italian translation of title and there are rumors that it would be revealed after reading the manuscript because they want to give the right meaning of title and be sure translation won't loose that meaning.
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Post by sagedautumn on Jun 1, 2007 13:39:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the key neh!! i didn't know DD was short for Dumbledore and it took me a while to get that Haz was Harry. I think i'll start using ur nicknames. DD is too long!!!
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Post by Michelle on Jun 1, 2007 14:27:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the location thing was the whole Godric's Hollow thing, too. Apparently we so seldom use "hollow" and "hallow" that we don't know that they are different words. I've also heard people say that Halloween will be important. That could be interesting since that is when the veil is at its thinnest.
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Post by sagedautumn on Jun 1, 2007 14:55:01 GMT -5
ooh good idea. I know that Halloween has always held a significance within the book, aside from the obvious spooky witch thing!
Take a look:
Harry's birthday is July 31st; theoretically, Harry could have been conceived on Halloween. Harry's parents were murdered by Voldemort. Quirrell lets in the Mountain Troll. Nearly Headless Nick was murdered on Halloween in 1492 (of which he marked the 500th anniversary with his 'Deathday Party' in COS). Harry finds a petrified Mrs. Norris. Harry is disappointed that he can't go to Hogsmeade, and Sirius Black slashes the Fat Lady's portrait. The Goblet of Fire spits out Harry's name, which will eventually be the cause of Cedric's death. Sibyll Trelawney made the prophecy about Harry and Lord Voldemort to Dumbledore on Halloween.
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Post by frozeninside on Jun 1, 2007 15:55:50 GMT -5
I don't think I ever really noticed the whole Halloween thing. Interesting,
I'm planing on re-reading all the books before the next one comes out, but I can't figure out when a good time to start will be.
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Post by neh on Jun 1, 2007 19:21:10 GMT -5
Yeh, Halloween has an in-and-out significant role for many events in HP land.... and it's worrying, coz we're now all expecting something REALLY bad to happen this time round (although, with all the terrible stuff that had happened, how can one begin to judge what is worse?!) Now meccart brought up one element that will never cease to intrigue me: the veil (and for that matter, the whole dam DOM - Department of Mysteries). Are the sounds Haz hears "beyond" the veil some semblence of a "Heaven" in the wizarding world, or are they something sinister? OR is it all in his mind, the poor sod?
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Post by Michelle on Jun 2, 2007 0:53:25 GMT -5
In other magical stories, the veil is what separates other "realms." So I guess heaven could be a realm that Harry is hearing, or just someplace that you go once you are done with this life (which I guess would be what people could define as heaven, but...).
I don't really understand the dept. of mysteries either. Ben was trying to explain to me a theory about Lily being an unspeakable, but I couldn't follow him at all (possibly because I forgot about unspeakables).
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Post by neh on Jun 2, 2007 3:39:44 GMT -5
Hmmm... perhaps she was. Although i'd be most impressed if she had managed this appointment by age 22... but then everyone acknowledges that she was quite a witch, so who knows? I can see her working in the Love Department (hehe, i remember jokes about revolving beds, Barry White music and mirrorballs on Pottercast) simply because of the whole bond/barracade for Haz that comes in later. What a weight on her shoulders though, along with a threat on baby Haz from big bad V - sheesh! I don't envy members of the wizarding world a bit when i think on all this depressing material!
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Post by Lu on Jun 2, 2007 5:18:45 GMT -5
I don't know if this makes any sense but...if Lily worked in Love Department it'd be easier for her to remind the old magic which saved Harry's life..
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Post by sagedautumn on Jun 2, 2007 14:08:31 GMT -5
that's true. I think the veil is kind of like the thestrals. Only those who had seen loved ones die can hear the voices. Maybe it's kind of like an inner passage that you have to cross. A segway between life and death. That's why Harry hears the voices...?? Memmcart i heard about that Unspeakable theory. It would explain Lily's secret. We know she was really good at Charms AND an overall good student. It can be possible
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Post by neh on Jun 2, 2007 16:51:56 GMT -5
Indeed it can be..... This is very left field, but what do people think about the Dementors and a role they may potentially play if Haz/his scar is a Horcrux, or even simply if Nagini is one? For in both cases (if we're fair to the poor basilisk) we'd rather permanant damgage not have to come to the two of them in the extraction of the Horcruxes.... and perhaps the Dems could help??? Or even if their methods are too violent to be used in those cases, they could be the answer to de-Horcruxing Voldy.... but then, does that mean he's not actually dying at the hands of Haz? Oh boy, i've gone and befuddled myself (again!) BTW, what a horrible demand to put on Haz: you HAVE to kill this man. We've all seen that the poor kid's not even capable of an Unforgivable Curse in moments of white rage, so how can he manage such an act of hatred?(unless it's through some roundabout way... hence the Dems.... mabye!)
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Post by zeldafitzgerald on Jun 3, 2007 21:19:12 GMT -5
This is off topic, but I just remembered this tonight:
In Goblet of Fire, when Voldemort comes back into power and calls his servants back to him, he talks about all the missing spots. He gets to the last six missing spots and says "And here we have six missing Death Eaters...three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return...he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever ... he will be killed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already re-entered my service." Well, he's talking about Barty Crouch's son, Headmaster of Durmstrang Karkaroff, and Snape. The faithful servent is Barty Crouch; the too cowardly to return is Karkaroff; so that leaves Snape for the "I believe has left me forever ... he will be killed, of course."
So, this tells us that at least Snape has been in no contact with Voldemort. He still could, of course, be loyal to him and just undercover (even to Voldemort), but I think this might be telling us a lot.
If Snape does turn out to be on the dark side, it will certainly be interesting why he has been "in the closet" for so long, without even Voldemort knowing he is a loyal servant.
I have two main "feelings" about book 7, one is that we're going to find out exactly why Dumbledore trusted Snape so completely, and the other is that Snape is going to die somehow. I'm not sure why or how, but I just have this feeling that he is going to die. Deep down I think he could be good, and somehow give his life to the cause, or for Harry. But I will also not be surprised at all if he is evil. I have no idea why I think he's going to die, it's just a feeling.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2007 23:04:22 GMT -5
That's an interesting point. Voldemort would have no reason to say that if he knew that Snape was on his side. But perhaps we've misinterpreted who he's talking about somehow? Not sure how, but it's possible.
I think Snape is good and I think he is going to become the most important character in the last book (well maybe aside from Harry). I hadn't thought about him dying or not. I'd be happier if he becomes some sort of sacrifice rather than Harry, but I haven't really thought about it.
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Post by sagedautumn on Jun 4, 2007 15:10:18 GMT -5
I thought that Snape was a spy for DD and the Order. That's how DD knew a lot of Voldemort's plans beforehand. This also would make sense about why he was so partial to the Slytherins especially Draco Malfoy....
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