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Post by Michelle on May 28, 2007 16:20:36 GMT -5
I'm not really sure. But I've def. heard rumors that Lily will be important and I think the fact that he has her eyes gets mentioned too much to not be important. I have no bright ideas though...
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Post by sagedautumn on May 28, 2007 16:27:41 GMT -5
true. i have to try to read the 6th book again!!
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Post by neh on May 28, 2007 22:56:25 GMT -5
Okydokeys.. i'm late getting here so i have a lot to catch up on... *I don't have my Mugglenet book "What Will Happen in HP 7" with me at present, so i'm not going too in-depth*
Lily's eyes - Jo keeps reiterating that the colour will be important more than anything else, and we all know mother and son have GREEN eyes... so - anyone willing to suggest the significance of green beyond being associated with jealousy (wich doesn't fit in with anything really, with those two characters at least) please speak up!
Snape loving Lily is very probable, because as the MC guys say about his "worst memory", surely being bullied by a bunch of jerky teens wouldn't constitute as an intelligent and complex grown man's worst memory! So it must be significant for what else happened in that incident - the fact that Snape in an embarrassed rage insulted Lily and denied her help and in doing so lost the the pssoible friendship of the girl he loved for good - and the knowledge of her death would have later boosted that particular memory up a notch on the paniful factor. Theories also exist that Snape made a deal with Voldy not to kill Lily, which would account for Voldy's insitance that she "step aside" when he was attempting to kill baby Harry. Snape, being a poohead nonetheless, didn't give a rats about James so he was killed anyhoos. But Lily's death could very well be a reason that Snape said byebye to the "dark side" after that. (or at least we think he did... or did he?! augh! Curse him and his ambiguity!)
*I will post more after i've gone and re-read the 2005 fan interview with Jo*
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Post by Michelle on May 28, 2007 23:19:40 GMT -5
Didn't Snape switch back to the good side before Lily died?
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Post by neh on May 29, 2007 0:05:51 GMT -5
Well, this is what he said and yes in one sense he did (from DD's pov), but at the same time we know for sure that he's been working for both sides (hence the continued confusion as to exactly what side he's "really" on). I'm not sure - everything surrounding that character is guesswork still.
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Post by sagedautumn on May 29, 2007 7:17:26 GMT -5
Hmmm..... maybe the fact that Snape was in love with Lily and as neh said made some type of deal with Voldemort made it easier for Dumbledore to recruit Snape on the good side. We know that he was a Death-Eater when Lily and James were in the Order, but could it be his unrequited love for Lily that is making him help the Order, and help protect Harry? The only problem with the theory is the fact that well, Death-Eaters don't usually go scoring deals with the Big Guy.... but once again, Snape is extremely clever and I feel a lot more poweful than the other Death-Eaters
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Post by Lu on May 29, 2007 7:36:28 GMT -5
Oh shoot!! Well thanks. I thought it was a pretty good theory but alas!!! What names did they change lu? Wikipedia doesn't know everything - you could still be right. I thought it was a good idea. That's true! And I thought it was a good theory too. I was thinking...if Mark Evans is Lily's relatives, isn't he a Dudley's relative as well? Since Lily is Dudley's aunt... I agree with you, sage: Snape is extremely clever.
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Post by neh on May 29, 2007 15:43:42 GMT -5
Snape is a bloody enigma wrapped in a mystery tied together with a conundrum. And no matter what side he is actually on in the end, i still think he is a cruel and bitter human being, no matter how much we should pity him. Speaking of which, i think Voldy is possibly the most interesting villian we've ever met in fantasy fiction... what say you guys?? I mean Sauron has a cool backstory and a fine rep as a jeweller and Anakin missed his mummy and got in a huff and then wore a mask and had breathing problems, but Voldy's story and personality fascinate me.
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Post by Kristie on May 29, 2007 16:17:27 GMT -5
I hadn't really thought of Voledmort as a more interesting villain before, but now that you mention other villains, it really seems he is the one with a personality and history. He's definitely a better villain than Sauron and Darth Vader.
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Post by sagedautumn on May 29, 2007 18:37:14 GMT -5
Yea, we tend to overlook villians, probably because we're all to busy hating them but also I think because most people just go off the emotion of hate rather than go into detail. Kind of like if you don't know the specifics than it's okay to hate a person. If u go into detail than u risk the chance of "softening" up the villain character. In my opinion allowing them to have a thorough back-story like Voldemort is good because it allows the reader to connect by giving him a more humane quality....
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Post by Isa on May 29, 2007 20:24:03 GMT -5
Anakin missed his mummy and got in a huff and then wore a mask and had breathing problems ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Lu on May 30, 2007 4:28:01 GMT -5
;D ;D
I agree that Voldemort is an interesting villain, but I didn't think so before reading the 6th book.
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Post by Nathalie on May 30, 2007 16:22:23 GMT -5
after looking up villain, i agree with you on voldemort, but for me i think that snape is an even more interesting possible not so obvious villain, because you never know. is he or isn't he? and i don't mean gay. well, i'm only 2 chapters into the 6th book, which contents i apparently totally forgot entirely, so i don't know how everything worked out with snape, up until the end of the 6th book, so. but so far, it's kind of mysterious.
and neh, i love how you refer to voldemort as voldy.
oh, and (this has nothing to do with anything mentioned but it just came back into my mind) i totally forgot everything about this umbridge woman in book 5. i mean she's not a villain or anything (i love the word villain), but she was so annoying and upsetting, it almost made me not read further, which obviously would have been a very big mistake, but still.
i blabbing. sorry
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Post by sagedautumn on May 31, 2007 19:59:41 GMT -5
I thought this would be an interesting tidbit to our discussion:
"Because the title ...is very difficult to translate, especially if you haven't got the manuscript, JK Rowling decided to provide an alternative title to all the foreign publishers for translation. The title was 'HP and the Relics of Death' which is easily translated to 'HP och Dödsrelikerna'."
The Japanese title, first translated to us by former Leaky staffer Erin, has been revealed as "Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death" (or simliar) by Say-Zan-Sha Publishing." Our reader Frini says that the official title in Brazil is now "Harry Potter e as RelĂquias da Morte," which means "Harry Potter and the Relics of Death."
-Taken from Leaky Cauldron
I thought this was interesting because a lot of people were thinking that the Deathly Hallows were actually a place or something but the Swedish title seems to confirm the fact that the Deathly Hallows refers to the Horcruxes.
What do you guys think the title refers too??
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Michelle
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Post by Michelle on May 31, 2007 21:12:13 GMT -5
Horcruxes? That's my thought. Ben thinks ghosts maybe.
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