sardinita
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Post by sardinita on Jul 24, 2007 14:56:02 GMT -5
i think it was kinda another realm. he wasn't really dead but he wasn't alive really either. i love how draco's mom ended up helping harry in her own selfish way. it showed even as death eaters, they aren't fully like voldemort. they have some sense of love and compassion. i kinda wish neville had killed bellatrix too. kind of as revenge for his parents. i love how mrs. weasley showed her true strength in the book but i wish it had been neville. i also wish we knew more about how lupin and tonks died.
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Post by neh on Jul 24, 2007 17:00:52 GMT -5
And i agree with everything you just said sardinita! I saw the train station as Harry's version of purgatory sort of... it was definately interesting to have DD refer to crossing over as boarding a train! And the Malfoys are still loathable but it was nice to see that at least within the confines of their own family, they can feel love and compassion and all such human things. Neville sort of got his moment with destroying a Hrocrux but yes, i think that everyone felt taking Bella down was his to do - even if Mrs W said the best line in the book while doing it! I wanted to put these in the thread aswell, just coz it helps aid the feeling of celebration.... i hope! Anyhoos, these are some pics from our release on Saturday: We've got the golden ticket.... The older woman we met in line and we thought she was cool, as she kept debating with us, hehe BE WARNED - I LOOK DISGUSTING!!! One of the promo posters, which my mate later stole, hehe The line from above
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taylor
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Post by taylor on Jul 24, 2007 21:00:45 GMT -5
Yeah- I heard theories about Harry being a horcrux and Snape being good- but I shrugged them off. But, there really wasn't much known evidence backing up those claims besides what we learned from DH- so I'm not that upset with myself =)
No- I think Harry was between life or death, and if he took the "train" he would have chosen death, but he went back. The only aspect of him that was dead was Voldemort's peice of soul. The "All in Head" was a reference to Christianity- that religion may seem to be "inside your head", but that does not mean it isn't real. I thought J.K Rowling's connections were utter brillianace!
While I was shocked and sobbing after the numerous deaths...(RIP Hedwig, Dobby, Mad Eye, Fred, Lupin, Tonks, etc) upon finishing I really gave a lot of thought to Snape- I feel terrible that I believed him to be evil and a cruel person, I was so sad when I read of his failed love, and what it cost him.
All in all, I thought Deathly Hallows was magnificent! It is my favorite Harry Potter book in the seres (besides GOF), and it contained so much beautiful prose and wonderful suspense, clues, love, fear, and every other aspect imaginable. I even enjoyed the epilogue, it mended my heart when I saw how happy they were in the end.
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Post by Hazy on Jul 25, 2007 8:12:19 GMT -5
I don't think Harry was dead, but I think he was very close to it. Kind of like the soul had left his body and he was moving towards the next world, but chose to go back.
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Michelle
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Post by Michelle on Jul 25, 2007 11:28:12 GMT -5
Did you guys hear that she may write an encyclopedia one day? And she names the character who was supposed to die, but got a reprieve in this same article. There are spoilers in the article, so that's why I'm posting it on this thread. today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/
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Post by Michelle on Jul 25, 2007 13:16:24 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but the more I think about the book, the less I like it. I feel like it was very rushed and not well-though out. I want to re-read it slower though before I judge too much. I still enjoyed it (and I will forever be a Harry Potter fan so don't hate me), but it is definitely not my favorite in the series.
One plot hole that someone brought up on another board was that in the Prince's Tale, we learn that Dumbledore's portrait told Snape to make sure that Voldemort knew of Harry's actual departure time so that he would remain in his good favor. So this took place in the month between Dumbledore's death and Harry's departure. Before Snape was headmaster. How did he get into the headmaster's office when he was thought to have killed Dumbledore? And why would Voldemort continue to think he could get information after the Order thinks he is bad? And doesn't Dumbledore say something about the Carrows in that chapter? They weren't at the school until after the ministry fell.
I feel like this is one of the reasons this book feels rushed to me. This mistake should have been caught if proper editing and re-reading were done. Rowling was so good at making sure that things fit before - this book feels different because there seem to be some holes and unexplained things. I'd have preferred a longer wait for a more thought-out book.
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Post by neh on Jul 25, 2007 15:43:25 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying memccart and to some extent i am inclined to agree but i think in my situation at least the book probably felt rushed only because i was reading it so very quickly - as Jo has had this conclusion planned for so very long and has said numerous times that she was satisfied with how she wrapped everything up and whatnot, i'm sure that somehow it must all make sense.... i'm trusting to that. But i do need to re-read, slower and more attentively, for sure! I am very much looking forward to a HP encyclopedia, although i think all fans will be wanting a tome so large and dense that it's impossible to carry around or read in bed!
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Post by Michelle on Jul 25, 2007 16:42:40 GMT -5
I agree that I want to re-read it more slowly before I judge too much. I'm sure part of the rushed feeling comes from me rushing through it. I know that Rowling said she was satisfied with the book and it is her favorite and that is part of the reason that I'm confused at how it turned out. Maybe once she does some interviews and answers some questions, I'll be satisfied. Yes - a really big encyclopedia would be great. Or maybe a whole set of encyclopedias.
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Post by Isa on Jul 25, 2007 20:15:20 GMT -5
OK, I’ve just finished it so here are some of my impressions, right off the bat. I thought the first half of the book was a bit slow, to be honest. But of course, the second half of the book entirely made up for the want of excitement, phew! I’m still quite breathless! I can’t say that I am feeling all that sorry for Snape, his love for Lily struck me as selfish, and I think my long and deep hatred of the character still prevents me from having more noble feelings towards him. I was even a bit miffed when I read that Harry conjugated Dumbledore’s name with Snape’s to name one of his sons, but I’ll grow out of it eventually. Do you think the first boy is named James Sirius?? I was also a bit surprised to find out in the end that Teddy wasn’t living with them. I guess he’s living with his grand-mother? But I would have thought Harry would have wanted to take on a more important role in his godson’s life, just like Sirius had done for him. The weird thing is that when I read they wanted Harry to be the godfather, my initial reaction was "uh-oh", something's going to happen to Lupin and Tonks... Unlike some of you, I love Harry and Ginny together, always have and always will When they first came together in the last book, to me it felt so real and so right that I knew they would be together in the end. Anyways, I’m pretty sure JK had to come up with an epilogue as a way of preventing people from writing too many sequels, but I agree, it would have been nice to find out whether Harry did make it as an auror and stuff like that. Like I was thrilled to find out Neville was teaching at Hogwarts! Just a question: what about the infamous gleam?? Was it explained in the book, did I just miss that part?
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Post by Isa on Jul 25, 2007 20:18:39 GMT -5
Did you guys hear that she may write an encyclopedia one day? And she names the character who was supposed to die, but got a reprieve in this same article. There are spoilers in the article, so that's why I'm posting it on this thread. today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/A most excellent idea, thanks for the link memccart!
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Michelle
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Post by Michelle on Jul 26, 2007 0:55:28 GMT -5
I think the gleam was because Voldemort had used Harry's blood to come back and that meant that part of Harry was in him and now I'm forgetting where I was going with this thought, but it had something to do with why Voldemort couldn't kill Harry. Man, I need to read it again.
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Post by neh on Jul 26, 2007 2:14:52 GMT -5
Yes! good point Jefie, the gleam was never answered directly (like a few things actually) but i suppose it was just the conclusion we had already come to, about a part of Haz being in Voldy and how that would 'infect' V with the emotions and instincts he lacked and loathed, and how this could aid the destruction of the horcrux residing withing Haz... ok, that last part i just added on due to info provided in HPB and DH (and as the gleam came in GOF i'm way out of whack) but basically i suppose DD felt relieved and hopeful that the playing field was was levelled somewhat by that first act, and then upon learning of the horcruxes i expect he felt that Haz actually had the advantage. I don't know whether or not i will ever feel that DD was truly 'using' Harry, because i do believe firmly in his strong and sincere affection for him, and i am certain he would have always been rooting for other ways around each issue other than having Harry sacrifice himself.... note, that so much of the information left unsaid until the end may have been for this purpose also.... now i don't even know what i'm saying! But i just can't stand the idea of DD consciously awaiting Harry's death... i just can't. It's more than finding out a role model has 'feet of clay', it's moire than finding out about Santa.... it's like getting slapped in the face a dozen times over and then told no one loves you! It's THAT hard to fathom! Jefie, i'm with you shipper-wise - G/H and Hr/R all the way, people! Also, if i could bring back the dead i want L/T forever, and ideally i do believe that Luna and Neville would be bloody adorable together - when they're a little older. As for Snape's love for Lily, yes it was a little disturbing at times - i don't want to think of that man as a lover... shudder! - but i think ultimately it softened him enough for me to say i don't consider him evil or 'bad' but i still don't care one ounch for his personality or his actions towards Harry and several other people throughout the years (regardless of the 'which side' debate - he was still an utter BASTARD to Neville, Hermione, Lupin, Sirius etc.) The only part of the Snape-loves-Lily element that truly moved me was realising just what he meant when he demanded to Harry "look at me" when he was dying... at first i thought it was just a plea for some form of trust and acknowledgement but then it hit me (via a friend's guidance) - Harry, as we've been told a million times, has his mum's eyes and by looking into them Snape could see Lily once more before he went.
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Post by Isa on Jul 26, 2007 7:34:27 GMT -5
Funny, when Dean caught Luna's hand during the battle at Hogwarts, I thought something might happen later on between the two - that's why I think writing an encyclopedia is such a great idea, I really want to know what happens to them all!
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Post by Hazy on Jul 26, 2007 8:31:06 GMT -5
I thought the same thing about Dean and Luna!!!
I really like Ginny and Harry together as well. I think the only major problem with the epilogue was I have a hard time imagining the characters at that age.
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