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Post by Lu on Apr 27, 2007 4:36:38 GMT -5
Q17. I always wondered that as well!!! When i first read the book i thought that Colonel Fitzwilliam would be the man Lizzie fell in love with. Guess not! Although i think Colonel Fitz made Darcy act quicker than he originally was. He might have noticed their friendliness towards each other and thought of it as flirtation. Might've prompted him to act now because he proposed to her i believe the day he was to leave. I'm not sure but i think that's when it was. I read this a year ago. SORRY! If I'm not wrong, Mr. Darcy proposed to Elizabeth two days before they left Rosings and he gave her his letters the next morning, the day before they left. Glad to hear we had the same impression about Colonel Ftizwilliam! I felt as he know Mr. Darcy's feeling, I've thought a bit about that subject and I relized that he might has given me such impression because he seemed really close to Mr. Darcy, he was informed of Georgiana and Mr. Wickham, Mr. Darcy himself wrote about their familiarity in his letters to Lizzy: For the truth of everything here related, I can appeal more particularly to the testimony of Colonel Fitzwilliam, who from our near relationship and constant intimacy, and still more as one of the executors of my father's will, has been anavoidably acquainted (...)Another thing makes me think that Colonel Fitzwilliam knew what happend between his cousin and Lizzy: (...)and that there may be the possibility of consulting him, I shall endeavour to find some opportunity of putting this letter in your hands in the course of the morning." And, when Elizabeth returned from his waliking he knew that the two gentlemen from Rosings had each called during her absence; Mr. Darcy, only for a few minutes to take leave, but Colonel Fitzwilliam had been sitting with them at least an hour, hoping for her return, . Was he informed of darcy's letter?? On the other hand he didn't know that the woman who Mr. Bingley was "saved" from, was Elizabeth's sister...but probably Mr. darcy wouldn't have said that. Ok, I stop annoying with my supposition!
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Post by Isa on Apr 27, 2007 6:35:47 GMT -5
Although i think Colonel Fitz made Darcy act quicker than he originally was. He might have noticed their friendliness towards each other and thought of it as flirtation. Might've prompted him to act now because he proposed to her i believe the day he was to leave. I'm not sure but i think that's when it was. I read this a year ago. SORRY! That's a really interesting theory, he might indeed have been scared that Fitzwilliam was going to make a move and that might be what prompted him to propose in this rather awkward manner - it does seem like he was a bit, hem, unprepared! Q27) How do you explain that Elizabeth got so easily misled by her first impressions of Mr. Darcy and Mr. Wickham but could see right through the character of Caroline Bingley?
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Post by sagedautumn on Apr 27, 2007 15:31:11 GMT -5
I think when you yourself are innocent you don't think twice of being suspicious or cautious, especially when you hold them in such a high regard. In a sense, Lizzie had all but surendered herself to Wickham. If he wasn't so stupid they probably would've married without her knowing about his sordid past until late. Of course the truth always comes out. But Mr. Wickham he was hiding something and in order to hide something you must be stealthy and keep an attentive watch at those that are around you. Obviously Wickham saw right through Caroline Bingley, because he expected something. Lizzie was completely unawares. I think we should remember that she was for a time in "love" or at least she thought she was in love with Wickham. Love has no reasoning. It has no sensibilities. Many of the things that Wickham had done right under her nose, so to speak, were forgiven i.e. his uneasy behavior, him abandoning her at the ball... All of this was overlooked until she had the chance to take an objective view of the past without any true feelings of love. All in all love can be really short-minded
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Post by katiaisme on Apr 27, 2007 19:04:09 GMT -5
I really need to read this book.
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Post by sagedautumn on Apr 28, 2007 11:14:02 GMT -5
It's an amazing book, well worth the hype, even after all these years. I read it once a year
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Post by Lu on Apr 28, 2007 11:23:47 GMT -5
So do I. ;D and my two copies (one in english and one translated into italian) look very used.
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Post by katiaisme on Apr 28, 2007 11:41:15 GMT -5
Yeah ive read S&S and loved it so I think Pride and Prejudice will be my next book to read after Rebel Angles and Thirteen tale.
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Post by sagedautumn on Apr 29, 2007 8:23:20 GMT -5
rebels angels is SOOO good! Did u like A Great and Terrible Beauty
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Post by Lu on Apr 29, 2007 12:50:32 GMT -5
A27)Good question, Jefie! I can't say for sure, perhaps Lizzy was right about Caroline Bingley because she observed her more objectively, without any prejudices. She might have acted in such a way because she saw Jane liked Mr. Bingley, a sort of acting in her dearest sister's sake. Instead, Mr. Darcy hurt Elizabeth's feelings the first time he saw her...that couldn't help for being objectively in judging him! As a consequence, Lizzy was ready to have a bad opinion of him and Mr. Wickham gave her a good (but also false) reason for think that, since the beginning of their acquaintance and she sympathized with him. Is that makes any sense?
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Post by Isa on Apr 29, 2007 13:40:01 GMT -5
That does make sense I'm also tempted to believe that because she is a woman, Lizzie finds it easier to be more critical and less easily deceived by someone of her own sex, whereas in the case of Wickham and Darcy, her emotions got in the way - it was a pretty typical female reaction to a man's attention, whether it'd be positive (Mr. Wickham) or negative (Mr. Darcy). I mean, sure Wickham is a very good actor, but Mr. Bennett for example seemed to know right from the start that he was not to be entirely trusted. I hope you don't think I'm being too harsh on Lizzie, it's actually one of the things I like the most about this character - no matter how great she is, she still has human flaws.
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Post by Lu on Apr 29, 2007 14:53:27 GMT -5
I hope you don't think I'm being too harsh on Lizzie, it's actually one of the things I like the most about this character - no matter how great she is, she still has human flaws. I absolutely agree she's more like a real person. I haven't thought about that before, you're right Jefie, Mr. Bennet seemed not to have a complete trust of Mr.Wickham.
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Post by sagedautumn on Apr 29, 2007 17:46:15 GMT -5
i was watching the BBC version of P&P and i noticed that as well. They did an amazing job with that movie. The actors and actresses themselves were to the tee the characters in austen's novel. when i watched it again, i noticed little bits of dialogue, and body language. it really was amazing!
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Post by Lu on May 1, 2007 4:35:53 GMT -5
I love the BBC version of P&P, I think it's second only to the book.
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Post by Lu on May 7, 2007 4:52:29 GMT -5
Q20) During Jane’s stay at Netherfield, Miss Bingley and Mrs. Hurst spent some time with her. Do you think that they actually enjoyed her company or do you think that they really just had nothing else to do? A20) Thinking about Jane's temper I'm sure they actually enjoyed spending time with her, even if they're haughty and superficial in that friendship, until they realized that their brother loved Jane. Probably they tried to became Jane's friends just because she was considered well-educated and the most beautiful girl in the neighbourhood; they seemed to consider Jane good enough for them. Q21) Do you feel any sympathy for Caroline Bingley what so ever? Or is she merely the opposite of Lizzie? A21) I mostly feel pity! She has been so jealous of Lizzy since almost the beginning and at the end she had to be nice to her to retain the right of visiting Pemberley. Q28)What do you think of Mr. Hurst? Do you think he has a role in the story?
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Post by Kristie on Jul 5, 2007 14:27:11 GMT -5
A28) I don't really think Mr. Hurst does much in the story. I mean, if he wasn't even married to Bingley's sister, he wouldn't be there. I think he's just a character that fills in the background. I believe in the new movie of P&P Mr. & Mrs. Hurst aren't even in it at all. Mrs. Hurst's role is really not even very important, it's just another person Caroline Bingley can hate the Bennet clan with.
A27) I think it was simple for Lizzie to see through Caroline's character because Lizzie really just went by what she saw. She saw Caroline to be rude and arrogant to those "beneath" her. She saw Darcy in the same way, but didn't take it for shyness. Not to mention overhearing his conversation with Bingley. Those indicators would make me think he's arrogant and rude, too. And she saw Wickham as a happy and charming fellow. He was easy to like, but she didn't know he was so cunning. In short, Caroline was one of the characters that actually appeared, basically at face value, the way she was. Darcy appeared in the opposite--well, not completely opposite--and it didn't help him when Wickham told Lizzie the bad stuff. I think Lizzie really just went on her first impressions (the original title) and that's why they were wrong.
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