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Jan 6, 2007 7:01:39 GMT -5
Post by Dominique on Jan 6, 2007 7:01:39 GMT -5
I was wondering what everyone's stance is on the Iraq war. I'm against it, I can't see what it has really accomplished, but I support the troops. I don't think America should back out yet though because then the area will become even more unstable than what it already is. What amazes me is that you can now watch the video logs of many of the soilders on Youtube and hear their perspective. One good one is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfi1Lk9m0lk
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Isa
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Jan 6, 2007 10:44:33 GMT -5
Post by Isa on Jan 6, 2007 10:44:33 GMT -5
To me the war in Iraq looks more and more like another Vietnam. So many American soldiers have been killed already, and nothing positive has come out of it. The death of Saddam Hussein practically went unnoticed. But the Bush administration will never admit they've been defeated so I really hope the Democrats get voted in at the next elections and put an end to this madness.
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Jan 6, 2007 11:10:30 GMT -5
Post by Bina on Jan 6, 2007 11:10:30 GMT -5
This war is so horrible and the situation in Iraq seems pretty hopeless. I´m not pro troops, what many did is unforgivable, but I think they´ve reached their limit and need to be pulled out. It´ll probably be like Afghanistan where troops from many countries need to clean up the mess the Bush government made. Does anyone watch al jazeera?
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Jan 6, 2007 11:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Lu on Jan 6, 2007 11:35:11 GMT -5
I'm always have been and I will always be anti-war! I think war is never the right way to resolve any tipe of problems or disagreements. My grandparents lived the World War 2, they have told me about it since I was a child...I can only try to understand what a war really means when I see how they fell when they listen the news from a war. The morning the war in Iraq began, I woke up and I saw my grandma sitting at the table in the kitchen in front of the radio, listening at the news from Iraq, then she looked at me with a so sad, fearful glance...I'll never forget her eyes! I can't understand war...and I can't stand such a cruel thing!
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Jan 6, 2007 12:10:18 GMT -5
Post by Kristie on Jan 6, 2007 12:10:18 GMT -5
I'm really against that war because I just don't understand what we're trying to do over there. I know they say stabilize and stuff, but I'm seeing another Vietnam like Jefie. I'm pro troops because I don't think many of them did anything unforgivable. Many of the soldiers were soldiers before idiot Bush decided to go to Iraq and they can't just quit, they have to serve for 5 years even if they get deployed. Some who are in the army are fighting deployment because they don't think it's right. There's a soldier that is refusing to go to Iraq (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada (even if it's wikipedia, it's pretty accurate))
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Jan 6, 2007 14:15:53 GMT -5
Post by Bina on Jan 6, 2007 14:15:53 GMT -5
I just can´t relate to it, most chose a job that includes killing and carrying guns. In many cases soldiers just ran into houses of civilians took every man and boy and they torture prisoners and also bomb hospitals etc. And that´s done in every war. Now that the soldiers know what this war really looks like they don´t want to go. Very understandable! I hope this soldier gets out of it but he´s sure to be severely punished.
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Jan 6, 2007 14:23:59 GMT -5
Post by Kristie on Jan 6, 2007 14:23:59 GMT -5
I think that most of the men and women enlisting are those who look at the army/air force/marines/navy/coast guard as being protectors of the American country and it's people and their rights. I don't think all of them join with intent to really hurt people. That's assuming the worst of people. Sometimes hurting people just comes in the line of duty. I'm not for war at all, but someone has to protect the civilians, and that's what the soldiers do.
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Jan 6, 2007 14:27:56 GMT -5
Post by Bina on Jan 6, 2007 14:27:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it´s a thing of mentality.
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Jan 6, 2007 14:30:45 GMT -5
Post by Kristie on Jan 6, 2007 14:30:45 GMT -5
Yeah, everyone in the armed forces can't always have the same morals and stuff, but I hope that they are good people that do only what's required unless, like Ehren Watada, they still feel what's required is morally wrong. I commend him for trying to do what's right.
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Jan 6, 2007 16:51:36 GMT -5
Post by Isa on Jan 6, 2007 16:51:36 GMT -5
I think I'm with you on that one, Dorothy. I'm sorry but I find it hard to have a high opinion of someone who chooses to join the army. I'm not saying they're a bunch of blood-thirsty mongers who like to play with guns, but I've just yet to meet with one soldier who's got truly honorable reasons for joining the army. My cousins who are in the army joined because they wanted to travel and see some action and not worry about finding a job - those are not good enough reasons for me.
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Jan 6, 2007 17:34:07 GMT -5
Post by Dominique on Jan 6, 2007 17:34:07 GMT -5
I agree that it is hard to relate to why they would join the army. But the impression I've gotten from a lot of American documentaries is that often people in poor communities in America where there is zero job opportunities and no way to get out because they don't have the money are the ones to join the army. Then you've also got the ones who saw it as an easy way to learn a trade, they might have just wanted to be a qualified electrician or something. In Australia if you join the armed forces you get your degree paid for. One of my friends from school is studying to be a nurse and she wants to join the navy afterwards so she won't have a uni debt.
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Jan 7, 2007 6:38:57 GMT -5
Post by Bina on Jan 7, 2007 6:38:57 GMT -5
Yes, I´ve heard of that and I always thought that a more or less free education was the one thing that Germany had going for itself but now they´re changing that I saw a documentary about 2 soldiers, they were recruting and they promised people everything to make them sign up. One guy wanted to be a rapper and they told him that the forces have great connections and so this guy signed up because of that. If that´s how they get new soldiers, the morale can´t be great.
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Jan 7, 2007 7:07:36 GMT -5
Post by Dominique on Jan 7, 2007 7:07:36 GMT -5
it's pretty manipulative how they try and get people to join. The propaganda is bad enough but just having people out there saying that kind of stuff to get people to sign up is kinda bad.
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Jan 7, 2007 7:20:38 GMT -5
Post by Bina on Jan 7, 2007 7:20:38 GMT -5
That´s what I thought and they weren´t even bothered that it was all on camera. So, no one watches al jazeera? I think it´s great that they broadcast in English now.
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Jan 7, 2007 7:22:20 GMT -5
Post by Dominique on Jan 7, 2007 7:22:20 GMT -5
I don't think I have it available. We don't have pay tv (or cable as americans call it ) in our house because my brother isn't very academic and my family's worried they'd never get him out from in front of the tv if we had it.
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