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Post by Pilleriin on Feb 13, 2008 11:34:18 GMT -5
Mine has two parts but how do I know if I have the original last two chapters?
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Post by Kristie on Feb 13, 2008 14:33:19 GMT -5
Well, in my edition the book ends and there's a bunch of supplementary stuff in the back, those original last chapters being the first. It would probably say if they are the original two chapters or not. I'm not sure if the original chapters were ever published or were in the first few editions...I'll look at the book again when I get home.
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Post by Isa on Feb 13, 2008 18:44:27 GMT -5
Yeah, they would be in the appendix or something.
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Post by Lu on Feb 15, 2008 5:11:42 GMT -5
lu could you give me the link to that web page? I have the penguin edition as well and I want to read the missing chapters... Of course! Here's the link to A Memoir of Jane Austen at gutenberg.org: www.gutenberg.org/files/17797/17797-h/17797-h.htm the cancelled part of Persuasion is at Chapter XII. I hope it works.
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Post by Kristie on Feb 15, 2008 7:13:07 GMT -5
So have we gotten a new schedule yet? Either telling those of us with only chapters where the break is, or breaking it up into more sections by chapter? I want to start reading it, but I like to know where I'm stopping...
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Post by bookworm on Feb 15, 2008 8:16:58 GMT -5
lu could you give me the link to that web page? I have the penguin edition as well and I want to read the missing chapters... Of course! Here's the link to A Memoir of Jane Austen at gutenberg.org: www.gutenberg.org/files/17797/17797-h/17797-h.htm the cancelled part of Persuasion is at Chapter XII. I hope it works. Thanks lu! I got it!
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Post by Michelle on Feb 15, 2008 9:30:39 GMT -5
So have we gotten a new schedule yet? Either telling those of us with only chapters where the break is, or breaking it up into more sections by chapter? I want to start reading it, but I like to know where I'm stopping... The chapters were added to the schedule awhile ago. Look back to Isa's first post.
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Post by Carma on Feb 15, 2008 12:29:55 GMT -5
I'm getting very annoyed.. I've been to every bookstore I came across, they had every Jane austen novel, but no persuasion! and the library didn't have it either, since someone else borrowed it.. so.. maybe I'm buying it online.. but probably I'm gonna have to pass this time...
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Post by Kristie on Feb 15, 2008 13:37:55 GMT -5
So have we gotten a new schedule yet? Either telling those of us with only chapters where the break is, or breaking it up into more sections by chapter? I want to start reading it, but I like to know where I'm stopping... The chapters were added to the schedule awhile ago. Look back to Isa's first post. Der, that would've been a good place to check in the first place
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Post by Isa on Feb 15, 2008 15:48:23 GMT -5
;D
Does it work with the chapters in your book?
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Post by Michelle on Feb 16, 2008 11:01:55 GMT -5
I'm getting very annoyed.. I've been to every bookstore I came across, they had every Jane austen novel, but no persuasion! and the library didn't have it either, since someone else borrowed it.. so.. maybe I'm buying it online.. but probably I'm gonna have to pass this time... You could read it online if you don't mind doing that: www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=35180
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Post by Kristie on Feb 17, 2008 12:04:47 GMT -5
;D Does it work with the chapters in your book? Yeah, that works. The two parts are a little uneven in my page numbers, but that's alright.
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Post by oureternity on Feb 17, 2008 12:31:49 GMT -5
I might join you guys a little later, I ordered the book and it's going to take a couple of days (hopefully by Friday I'll get it..) P.S thanks for the link memccart! It's going to come in handy
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Post by Kristie on Feb 20, 2008 15:05:21 GMT -5
Alright, I guess I'll be the first to start posting on the first twelve chapters. I apologize in advance for comparing almost everything to other Austen novels, but seeing as this was her last novel, it's comparable in aspects to her earlier works.
Right away in the book my attention was caught by this statement: "Three girls...was an awful legacy for a mother to bequeath; an awful charge rather, to confide to the authority and guidance of a conceited, silly father." This led me to think about the role of daughters in all of Austen's works. In P&P, Austen clearly feels this way, giving the Bennets five girls--although in P&P it is the mother who is "conceited and silly", not so much Mr. Bennet. I have noticed a trend in Austen's works: the more daughters a family has, the worse off they are (financially).
- the Morlands (NA) have many children, but I don't recall the specifics and they are the poorest family Austen creates
- the Bennets (P&P) have five daughters
- the Dashwoods (S&S) have three, and are fine until their father dies
- the Elliots have three, and Sir Walter is squandering their money
- the Bertrams (MP) have two (plus Fanny)
- Emma Woodhouse (Emma), only daughter/child, is best off
If you've read these books, you can see how these are in order and the trend that accompanies them.
Anyways, I must admit that I was angry with Lady Russell for talking Anne out of marrying Captain Wentworth the first time I read this book. But, for some reason, I am more feeling towards where she was coming from. As a mother figure, it was sort of Lady Russell's duty to want the best for Anne. (Emma did the same for Harriet in Emma, wanting a better man for her.) While obviously Capt. Wentworth probably wasn't the best she could do, it's also a mother's duty to know when her daughter is in love and should let it be. It was mostly Anne's fault of letting Lady Russell persuade her from her decision.
A big question I have so far is why Anne went to Lyme. She was all set to go to Lady Russell again, and she clearly would rather be there than with Capt. Wentworth, so what made her go? Would it have been Mary? Or was she just too interested in seeing Lyme to pass it up? Since I've read the book I know the importance of the Lyme trip to the rest of the story, but it still baffles me a little.
Another small question I have is, were all homes that were rented out furnished at this time? Sir Walter sort of worried about his possessions and Shepherd said the Crofts would take care of the furniture and paintings, but were all let houses furnished? I can't recall for sure, but I believe Netherfield was furnished, to an extent, in P&P. Just wondered if anyone knew.
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Post by Lu on Feb 20, 2008 15:29:29 GMT -5
Right away in the book my attention was caught by this statement: "Three girls...was an awful legacy for a mother to bequeath; an awful charge rather, to confide to the authority and guidance of a conceited, silly father." This led me to think about the role of daughters in all of Austen's works. In P&P, Austen clearly feels this way, giving the Bennets five girls--although in P&P it is the mother who is "conceited and silly", not so much Mr. Bennet. I have noticed a trend in Austen's works: the more daughters a family has, the worse off they are (financially).
- the Morlands (NA) have many children, but I don't recall the specifics and they are the poorest family Austen creates
- the Bennets (P&P) have five daughters
- the Dashwoods (S&S) have three, and are fine until their father dies
- the Elliots have three, and Sir Walter is squandering their money
- the Bertrams (MP) have two (plus Fanny)
- Emma Woodhouse (Emma), only daughter/child, is best off
If you've read these books, you can see how these are in order and the trend that accompanies them. Hey, you're right Kriste! I never realized that! In both Manfield Park and Persuasion there three daughetrs, the only difference is the social condition of their family (if I remember correctly...I read Manfield Park ages ago and I really need a rereading). I haven't finished part one yet (i'm just at chapter 9), but I post something anyway. Persuasion is my second favorite Jane Austen, I read it a number of times and I always enjoy it a lot. I've started reading the introduction (but then I've stopped) and it mentions the recurring role of "persuasion" in the story, which, it says, "explores the painful consequence of apparently sound advice given by a good friend". I've always thought that "Persuasion" refers only to Lady Russell persuading Anne but apparently I was a bit wrong. I payed more attention to it and so far there are other "persuasion": Anne hopes Lady Russell manages to persuade her father to accept the retrenchments they've marked out, Mr. Shepherd is persuaded that a change of abode is necessary and Anne herself is often being given the role of persuader when she's staying at Uppercross (probably because she's the one everyone trust in). I really like the first chapter as introduction to the story, I love the realistic and ironic tone Jane Austen uses in descriptions of the characters, especially regarding Sir Walter and Mary, who I find hilarious. I felt sorry that Anne isn't considered as highly as she deserves and I think she's the most sensible; considering her relatives (and even Mrs Russell in a certain way), so self-important and concerned of rank and appearance, she's the very objective and free minded one. My favorite character is Anne and I think my own experience influenced me. When I first read Persuasion I had just moved home and I hated the new place, we have to hurriedly move to a lower rent house and so my parents chosed it without consulting me (they did ask my brother's opinion though) and there was nothing to do when I told them I didn't like the house and the small town in which it' situated. Anyway I was trying to be happy and not complaining or showing them I was sad while my brother often complained. I think it's the main reason why I could easily identify with Anne since the first chapters. Unfortunately, not one Captain Wentworth showed up (in my real life) but I guess that was asking too much... ;D I think the last line of chapter 3 is brilliant, they're simple words but I still can remember the feeling it gave me the first time...I really REALLY couldn't wait to read next, to know who was "he" and what was going to happen I hated when Captain Wentworth says Anne was "so altered he should not have known her again" (it's not a very kind thing to say!) and I think he's pretty conceited at first (especially in chapter 8...which I've just finished to read). Another thing I really like is the fact that even if they both don't mention their past relationship, the reader felt they're still kinda connected by something the other characters don't share or even suspect...it's both sweet and sad, I think. I noticed Captain Wentworth and Admiral Croft use the pronoun "her" talking of a ship...that's fun...I thought they'd use "it" but apparently I was wrong... I hope to finish the first volume tomorrow!
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